Dividend Adjustments and the Negative Adjusted Price Return Problem
Summary
The document examines why subtracting past cash distributions from historical closing prices can produce negative adjusted prices, making ordinary percentage-return calculations misleading. It frames the issue as a problem in measuring total returns for security selection and contrasts possible adjustment methods.
One response adds distributions back to prices after their payment date, keeping the adjusted series positive and producing sensible period returns. A Microsoft example shows that this method’s cumulative result differs slightly from the vendor’s adjusted-close calculation. Another response proposes calculating daily returns with splits and dividends, then compounding backward from the current price; a further view says returns on capital can become undefined or negative when the original investment is fully returned or exceeded. These are alternative interpretations rather than a universally established convention, and the discussion does not compare them across broader corporate-action cases.
Key ideas
- Subtracting distributions from earlier prices can make historical adjusted prices negative and distort percentage returns.
- Adding a dividend back to post-payment prices can preserve positive values for return calculations.
- Compounding daily total returns backward from a current price is another proposed way to build an adjusted series.
- When returned capital reaches or exceeds the initial investment, conventional return-on-investment interpretation may fail.
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# Total Return measurement paradox w/ Adjusted Close Prices
# Total Return measurement paradox w/ Adjusted Close Prices
Using total return calculations is critical in developing security selection models.
The standard way to measure total return is to develop a series of price-adjusted data. Investopedia describes the standard method here: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06/adjustedclosingprice.asp
Essentially, capital distributions/dividends to investors are deducted from the historical close price series. When calculating the return over the holding period using this series: $r(t) = \frac{P(t) - P(t-1)}{P(t-1)}$, you are calculating the actual profit/loss return including dividend distributions.
However, it's possible that the dividend adjustment will cause some adjusted historical prices to go below zero. For example, consider Avis adjusted close prices in 2003. The adjusted close price in May 2003 is about -$\$1.5$. The adjusted close price a year later is $\$80$. This is a considerable return. However, when calculating the return $\frac{85 - (-1.5)}{-1.5}$ a negative return is produced because of the denominator.
One approach would be to "forward adjust" dividend adjustments as opposed to deducting dividends paid on the prior series. But then the forward-adjusted close prices would not match prices traded on the exchange (complicating trade execution, etc.). Another approach is to shift the -$\$1.5$ and $\$85$ above the zero line some arbitrary amount. This diminishes the actual return the farther up the number line the two price points are shifted.
Yahoo calculated dividends adjustments on a percentage basis, not on a absolo
Any suggestions on how to solve this problem?
## Answer by chrisaycock (score 7, accepted)
https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/1032
Don't subtract dividends; add them.
Add-back the dividends as if they had not been paid out. That will ensure that you have a positive price when deriving the returns.
For example, MSFT paid a 0.16 dividend on 2011-15-02. Here are the raw prices, according to Yahoo:
```
date close
----------------
2011.02.01 27.99
2011.02.02 27.94
2011.02.03 27.65
2011.02.04 27.77
2011.02.07 28.2
2011.02.08 28.28
2011.02.09 27.97
2011.02.10 27.5
2011.02.11 27.25
2011.02.14 27.23
---------------- <- dividend was paid here
2011.02.15 26.96
2011.02.16 27.02
2011.02.17 27.21
2011.02.18 27.06
2011.02.22 26.59
2011.02.23 26.59
2011.02.24 26.77
2011.02.25 26.55
2011.02.28 26.58
```
Yahoo's own adjustment is to subtract the dividend for all dates prior to the payment, exactly as your question states. But if all you want is the return, then add-back the dividend after the payment. Thus, we have:
```
date close
----------------
2011.02.01 27.99
2011.02.02 27.94
2011.02.03 27.65
2011.02.04 27.77
2011.02.07 28.2
2011.02.08 28.28
2011.02.09 27.97
2011.02.10 27.5
2011.02.11 27.25
2011.02.14 27.23
---------------- <- add-back dividend
2011.02.15 27.12
2011.02.16 27.18
2011.02.17 27.37
2011.02.18 27.22
2011.02.22 26.75
2011.02.23 26.75
2011.02.24 26.93
2011.02.25 26.71
2011.02.28 26.74
```
The return calculations won't match Yahoo's exactly. Yahoo's adjusted first and last price are 27.83 and 26.58, for a return of -4.49%, whereas the return from my adjusted prices above is -4.47%. But my returns are guaranteed to be more sensible simply because I know there will never be a negative price.
## Answer by Rich C (score 4)
https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/1036
I think the answer is in your question. Yahoo uses a percentage adjustment for adjusted close prices. So this is the procedure I would do.
1) Calculate the proper return for each day (taking into account splits and divs).
2) Apply the returns going backwards from the current price.
By doing it this way it is impossible to get a negative adjusted price, and taking the return from any period to any other period will equal the cumulative return over that period. I believe yahoo does something like this because I've never seen a negative adj close. I'm not positive about that though.
## Answer by bill_080 (score 3)
https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/1033
The problem is, you're calculating the "return on investment" or "return on original investment". Anytime you are given back ALL or MORE THAN your original investment, you are no longer "invested". As a result, calculating "return on investment" no longer applies.
For example with a 100% return of capital, the "original investment" drops to zero. So, the return on "investment" is infinity.
Another example is a merger/restructuring, where you get back more than all of your original investment. Your "investment" is negative (someone gave you the money to invest rather than you giving them the money to invest), so your return on "investment" is now negative.
Notice that it doesn't matter whether you calculate the series forward or backward, a 100% return of capital situation provides an infinite return. And, when you are given back more than you invested, your return is negative.
One solution would be to check to see if the original investment is less than or equal to zero. If so, then flag the result accordingly.Shown in full with attribution under the source's licence. Licence: CC BY-SA 4.0 (Stack Exchange)
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