Modeling Positive-Return Fees and Net P&L Distributions
Summary
The document considers normally distributed gross trade P&L when a commission is charged only on positive outcomes. Negative results remain unchanged, while positive results are reduced by the fee rate. The central question is whether cumulative net P&L across repeated trades is likely to be positive for specified trade mean, variance, and sample size.
One response applies a change of variables to derive the transformed density: the negative portion retains its original distribution, and the positive portion is rescaled with the corresponding density adjustment. It observes that the result can be treated as a combination of truncated normal components, whose moments can be used to approximate aggregate outcomes; simulation or an Edgeworth expansion are suggested. Another response expresses expected net return as gross expectation minus the fee-weighted expected positive P&L. The discussion does not provide a final probability calculation, and conclusions for many trades depend on assumptions such as independence and the adequacy of the chosen approximation.
Key ideas
- A fee charged only on gains changes the positive and negative parts of a gross P&L distribution differently.
- The transformed positive density must account for the scaling of returns as well as the fee rate.
- Expected net P&L equals gross expected P&L less the fee rate times expected positive P&L.
- Simulation or moment-based approximations can help estimate cumulative profitability, subject to assumptions about trade dependence and approximation quality.
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# Distribution when positive values are rescaled?
# Distribution when positive values are rescaled?
Suppose I have a series of gross P&L values, which are normally distributed with mean $\mu$, variance $\sigma^2$.
For positive P&L values, there is a $x\%$ commission. For example, $x=5\%$.
So the net pnl, $p_i$ is:
- $p_i$ if $p_i$<0
- $p_i * (1-x)$ if $p_i$>0
Given different $\mu%$ and $\sigma$, how can I calculate whether the net P&L over $n$ trades will be positive?
## Answer by Kermittfrog (score 1)
https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/79736
As the payoff function is continuous, we can find the new density function by the change of variable for probability densities:
$$ \begin{align} y&=r(x)\equiv\begin{cases} x & x\leq 0 \\ (1-\alpha)x & x> 0 \end{cases} \\ \end{align} $$
Thus
$$ \begin{align} f_Y(y)&=f_X(r^{-1}(y))\left|\frac{d}{dy}(r^{-1}(y))\right|\\ &=\begin{cases} f(y) & y\leq 0 \\ \frac{f\left(\frac{y}{1-\alpha}\right)}{1-\alpha} & y> 0 \end{cases} \end{align} $$
At closer expection, this is the weighted sum of the densities of two truncated normal variates. The MGF exists in closed form, thus we can easily produce mean, variance etc. As the MGF of a sum of independent RVs is the product of their individual MGFs, we could calculate the moments of the cumulative PnL over a number of individual PnLs using approximate methods.
It feels as if the derivation of the characteristic function would be too cumbersome, though...
So to answer your question: Either
- simulate for varying parameters, or
- calculate the first moments and use an Edgeworth expansion or similar.
## Answer by MrLCh (score 0)
https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/79388
I believe there is no "simple" answer to your question. To calculate the expected value of net return $n$ you could do the following:
$$\begin{align}\mathbb{E}(n) &= \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} t * f_n(t) dt \\ &= \int_{-\infty}^{0} t * f_p(t) dt + \int_{0}^{\infty} t * (1-x) * f_p(t) dt \\ &= \int_{-\infty}^{0} t * f_p(t) dt + \int_{0}^{\infty} (t- tx) * f_p(t) dt \\ &= \int_{-\infty}^{0} t * f_p(t) dt + \int_{0}^{\infty} t * f_p(t) dt - x \int_{0}^{\infty} t * f_p(t) dt \\ &= \mathbb{E}(p) - x \int_{0}^{\infty} t * f_p(t) dt \end{align}$$
where $f_n$ denotes the density of the $n$ and $f_p$ denotes the density of $p$ (so the density of the normal distribution with mean $\mu$ and variance $\sigma^2$).Shown in full with attribution under the source's licence. Licence: CC BY-SA 4.0 (Stack Exchange)
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