Modeling Short-Term Price Moves on Betting Exchanges
Summary
The document asks how quantitative methods might predict rapid odds changes on betting exchanges shortly before an event, using live back and lay prices and available market depth. Responses frame the setting as a market microstructure problem: order flow increases near the event, spreads and matched volume change sharply, and participant activity may include both informed betting and noise trading. A classic informed-versus-noise trader model is offered as a way to reason about price formation, while market making and high-frequency approaches are also mentioned.
The replies caution that pre-event markets differ from ordinary stock or foreign-exchange time series, so standard moving averages may not transfer directly. One suggestion is to normalize samples as activity rises; another is to compare current odds with a final market estimate or estimated event probability. The material reports that prices closer to the start may better reflect win probabilities, but also describes short-term movement as close to a random walk and notes that fees can erase an apparent edge. These are informal observations and anecdotes, not a validated predictive strategy or evidence of reliable profitability.
Key ideas
- Order flow, volume, and spreads can change substantially as an event approaches.
- Informed and noise trader models offer a framework for thinking about price formation in betting markets.
- Standard time-series indicators may perform poorly when trading activity changes sharply over time.
- The final market price may provide a useful reference for the direction of earlier odds movements.
- Short-term prices may be close to a random walk, and fees can undermine trading profits.
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# Predicting price movements on a betting exchange # Predicting price movements on a betting exchange On a betting exchange the price (the odds that an event will happen expressed as a decimal, 1/(percentage chance event occurring) of a runner can experience a great deal of volatility before the event in question begins. Since very little about the event in question actually changes before it starts the movement in price must be down to pure market forces. This is especially true in the minutes leading up to the start of the event. A prime examples of this are the ten minutes before the start of a horse race or two minutes from the start of a greyhound race. It is possible to monitor the market in real time (including the currently best available back and lay prices, and the amount of money it is possible to back or lay). Given all of this, what devices from quantitative finance could best be used to predict the immediate movement of the odds of a runner? As with a predictive model of price movements it is possible to trade on a betting exchange as you would a normal stock exchange. ## Answer by Richard Herron (score 6) https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/735 Have you looked into "noise trader" models? This seems like a market that is mostly noise. A few betters may have some information on or real knowledge of who might win, but certainly nothing like equity markets where there are a lot of people who really know the ins and outs of the firms they're trading. The classic model is Pete Kyle's, which should give you some of the intuition, although here I don't think there are an "liquidity" traders -- just noise and informed. This model isn't very applied, but the conclusions should help you develop your picture and you can probably find a lot of working papers in SSRN.com that apply the model in a way that you can use... I found the Kyle paper, but it's Econometrica, so it may be a little dense for an introduction. This textbook chapter may be a better introduction to see if it's something you'd like to pursue. ## Answer by jokerjoe (score 3) https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/4206 Increased volatility towards the event start is definitely from increased order flow. There are some papers specifically on "prediction markets", the ones with practical applications are on market making which I suspect is generally a loss-making operation conducted by the exchanges themselves when a market is opened. Given the short-time periods and small ranges you probably want to be looking at market microstructure and HFT. ## Answer by phil (score 1) https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/722 I'm not familiar with betting exchanges but what you're describing reminds me a lot of binary options, where the payout is 1 if something occurs (ie APPL trades above 1000$) and 0 if the event doesn't occur. So at any time before expiration, the option is worth the probability that the even will indeed occur, so the options is always worth between [0, 1]. Although, option pricing has nothing to do with path predictions, it has everything to do with volatility pricing, which to me seems perfect for what you're describing. > On a betting exchange the price of a runner can experience a great deal of volatility before the event in question begins ## Answer by Michael (score 1) https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/4205 Timeserieses of pre-play betting markets look quite different than classical stock markets or forex-like stuff. Monitoring exchanges like betfair, the volume kind of skyrockets in the last 15 minutes before the start. The long hours before the race start there are basically no bets matched and the bid-ask-spread is enormous. In the last minutes there is ten fold the volume traded then in the whole hours before. Price fluctuation increases in amplitude and frequency. Given that, applying classical WMAs for example won't work. To make it more comparable with its predecessing timeline, probably some kind of constantly increasing sample ratio could help. > Since very little about the event in question actually changes before it starts the movement in price must be down to pure market forces. True. Nevertheless, statistic shows, that the final market price reflects the win probabilities much better than the price the hours before. So if you want to predict short term market movements, you should also consider some final estimate for the odds and the estimated winning probability to give you some idea, where the travel will go in the long run. Besides that - it's close to a random walk. Trying to find an edge, it helps, that the fees for trading are calculated on the total result of your bets on a race market. Nevertheless, it's a lot, so at least we couldn't find any useful edge there. Good luck on that! ## Answer by Gary (score 1) https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/10001 I have studied what happens in the Betfair horse racing markets in the few minutes prior to the off and without knowing anything about racing or markets for that matter I trade buying and selling fast and making small profits/losses as I go. The key is discipline, accept small losses when they occur and NEVER follow a trade into play. Although I trade only on instinct I make more correct decisions than not however the move from smaller stakes to larger stakes is very daunting as I am sure emotions will start to creep in as the amounts of MY money become larger and therefore the risks greater.
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