Valuation Gaps and the Timing of Price–Value Convergence
Summary
The document contrasts two approaches to generating alpha: forecasting future prices or returns, and estimating an asset’s intrinsic value. Valuation methods such as discounted cash flow and peer comparisons can identify a gap between estimated value and market price, but the author asks how to estimate whether and when that gap will close. The distinction matters because an estimated value alone does not specify a holding period or expected rate of return.
A response describes spectral analysis of broad market and firm returns, using log values and ranked returns to study cyclical behavior. It reports an estimated broad-market periodicity on a scale of decades and connects the discussion to autoregressive models and equilibrium between price and value. These claims are presented as the respondent’s own unpublished analysis, without supporting data or a published validation. The response also makes strong, disputed claims about return distributions, regression estimators, and Bayesian inference, so its conclusions should be treated cautiously rather than as established valuation guidance.
Key ideas
- Forecasting future returns and estimating intrinsic value are distinct approaches to alpha generation.
- A valuation gap alone does not establish the probability or timing of convergence.
- The response uses spectral analysis of log returns and ranked returns to investigate market cycles.
- The reported cycle estimates are personal, unpublished findings and lack presented evidence for independent assessment.
- The response’s statistical claims are broad and should not be treated as settled consensus.
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# Rate of convergence between price and value
# Rate of convergence between price and value
In my experience, there are two primary methods of alpha generation. In both cases, assume we know what price is.
Method 1: Inference on what the price/payoff will be.
Method 2: Inference on what the underlying (“intrinsic”) value is (I.e., what the price/payoff should be).
Generally, method 1 regresses variables (e.g., factors and/or anomalies) to infer what the price/payoff will be (and/or what the returns will be) within a given time frame. Under method 1, the speed and likelihood of convergence is implied.
Method 2 may be broadly referred to as "valuation". Canonically, it is underpinned by a conviction that price and value will at some point converge (read margin of safety). As such, value investors are primarly concerned with real world probabilities (since, in the risk-neutral world, $P_t \equiv \mathbb{E}\left[V_T\right]$ for an underlying asset). For example, in the equities world, analysts utilize various measures for net present value to infer what the price should be. Such methods include discounted cash flow analyses, precedent transactions, comps (i.e., peer group benchmarking), etcetera. However, valuation only tells us what the price should be, but nothing about likelihood or rate of the price-value convergence. Even if we knew with absolute certainty that price would converge to value, this says nothing about when it will converge or how.
For example, let's say we have an instrument which continuously pays $X_\tau$ over the interval $(t,\infty] \, \forall \, \tau \in T$. The NPV can then be expressed as such:
$$\mathbb{E}\left[V_t \right] =\int_{t}^\infty m(\tau)X_\tau \,d\tau$$
where: $m(\tau)$ is the discount factor (i.e., "deflator").
This will give us an expected net present value, which tells us whether the instrument is under or overvalued versus its price, $P_t$. Canonically, we would interpret a large enough discrepancy between $V_t$ and $P_t$ as an opportunity to go long or short to capture the difference. But it appears that we do not have enough information to assess the rate of return (let alone the likelihood).
Are there any theories of value or valuation methods which indicate both the likelihood and rate of value-price convergence?
References are always appreciated.
## Answer by Dave Harris (score 3)
https://quant.stackexchange.com/a/38551
I performed spectral analysis on the stock market for disaggregated returns. If $\mu$ is the center of location and anything away from $\mu$ is an "error", then the stock market is in equilibrium once every 20-21 years as an aggregate whole. But, like a musical instrument, the periods of the individual firms could be relatively small. Still, that would imply that if you bought the "market" then present value and price would meet only every two decades. Every 41-42 years you get one sweep of the spectrum of returns. I performed the spectral analysis both on the log values and on ranks. You can find literature on spectral analysis by ranks in the geology literature. It has some rather interesting additional properties.
EDIT
Begin with
> Slutzky, Eugen, The Summation of Random Causes as the Source of Cyclic Processes, Econometrica, 5(2), Apr.1937, pp. 105-146
If you use a process such as $x_{t+1}=\beta{x}_t+\epsilon_{t+1}$ then you end up with a cyclical process. The time to span one entire spectrum of possible values of $\beta$ is between 40 and 41 years for the broad market. It would be in equilibrium approximately twice in that time period though it could be close much of the entire time. If you assume that $k_t=p_t$ in equilibrium or equivalently that the present value of cash flows equals price, where $k_t$ is the replacement cost of capital, then price equals value in the economy has a whole about once a generation.
EDIT I am not actually assuming that value is fixed, merely that it cannot be contemporaneously observed. The strong assumption I am making is that $\mu$ as the center of location has an error of zero. If its error is zero, it is a correct price. What is being ignored is the cost of funds, not the underlying valuation. As to citation, I have never published it. I ran the spectral analysis in two ways.
First, I ran it using logs on the S&P 500, the Dow and GDP. They have the same periodicity. Then I converted returns into ranks and ran spectral analysis on the ranks.
As to $\beta$, it does not exist, or at least it cannot exist as understood in mean-variance finance. It is improper to make an assumption as to the distribution of returns. The distribution of returns are not data, they are a statistic. You can make assumptions about the nature of the data, but not of transforms of the data. To do so would be no different than assuming the test distribution that we would normally use Student's t distribution on is Weibull distributed because someone did not bother to derive the correct distribution.
In the specific and very narrow case mentioned above of $x_{t+1}^i=\beta^i{x_t^i}+\epsilon_{t+1}^i,\beta^i>1$, then no covariance matrix exists among assets $i,j$. By theorem, there is no Frequentist solution to this equation that can converge to a population parameter. $\beta^i>1$ as the alternative is to plan to lose money in every period. The test statistic that also conforms to the assumptions of mean-variance finance is ordinary least squares. The sampling distribution of $\hat{\beta}-\beta$ is the Cauchy distribution.
The Cauchy distribution has no mean and the least squares estimator is a variant on the mean. Therefore the sampling distribution has zero power. This is well known. One could abandon the maximum likelihood estimator, which should be the minimum variance unbiased estimator, in favor of something such as Theil's regression. To do so would be to reject mean-variance finance. You would end up with median-interquartile range finance and the summary equations would vanish as they depend upon a covariance. Nonetheless, Theil's regression and quantile regression result in inadmissible statistics.
This result follows from two directions. The first is that the distributions involved lack a sufficient statistic and so any point estimator loses information. The Bayesian estimator is always minimally sufficient, therefore it loses no information. Consequently, for that reason alone, there is no non-Bayesian estimator for use with most stocks and with the per capita GDP of a growing nation. The second reason is that in the above AR(1) equation if follows from rationality that $\beta>1$. If that is the case then the prior density over the space $(-\infty,1]$ is zero.
That is prior information and in the presence of real prior information, non-Bayesian estimators are inadmissible.Shown in full with attribution under the source's licence. Licence: CC BY-SA 4.0 (Stack Exchange)
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